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Challenges do better, but..."/>						<outline text="there are a lot of challenges. lot of fears."/>						</outline>					<outline text="Lance: ">						<outline text="one important thing is the inertia in politics. fear of trying something new, in case it fails. midterms now... we might see a modicum of experiment there. thinking bout 2008... if things haven't been shown to work in midterm, when you get to the presidential scale, the worrry about risk becomes amplified many times over.... might be even greater resistance."/>						<outline text="what does shown to work mean? political operatives' reading of what worked with Dean was that he proved the internet can be used to raise money. he also proved that it doesn't deliver votes."/>						<outline text="we can also talk about putting issues on an agenda, galvanizing social action...."/>						</outline>					<outline text="Buzz:">						<outline text="are candidatew worried about a record that will bite them on the ass later?"/>						<outline text="I think so. Was talking to Joe Trippi awhile back, and think the right wing machine might amplify this beyond anything we've dreamed of."/>						</outline>					<outline text="Ramin: ">						<outline text="was involved in the Dean campaign. One problem was that you may get too succ edssful at attracting interest, but not at delivering votes. (the campaign's gears were stripped). the blogosphere might be a giant ATM, but... "/>						<outline text="main concern was dealin with voters face to face..."/>						</outline>					<outline text="lance: does it matter if the candidate is involved? Dean really wasn't, fully. Zephr Teachout and Matt Gross did most of the blogging, actually."/>					<outline text="Dave:">						<outline text="why couldn't a blogger become political and run for office? "/>						<outline text="flip it around. why should we just choose among leaders who become bloggers? why not the other way around?"/>						</outline>					<outline text="Dedman:">						<outline text="bloggers can go to events, start a conversation ... if a blogger took it upon him or her self and put in the time to followl... I keep hearing 'the machine'... blogging doesn;'t have to be part of that. "/>						</outline>					<outline text="Sylvia: ">						<outline text="talking about two levels. Local, state...  on the national level, yes, people from out of the blue can get elected. look at reagan, czech..."/>						</outline>					<outline text="Liz:">						<outline text="Lisa (something ) had a service,... VoterVirgin... incredible campaign for voter registration. Another would be to ... what if every PTA had a blog..."/>						</outline>					<outline text="Ramin: ">						<outline text="in germany angela merkel is actually video blogging"/>						</outline>					<outline text="Lance:">						<outline text="do we care more about grass roots issues activism, or to focus on the campaign,l or to make the distinction."/>						</outline>					<outline text="Ryan:">						<outline text="the medium to me is so personal that I feel disconnected."/>						<outline text="we will feel more connected with a candidate if they blog. john edwards for example. we thought, &quot;finally...&quot; he answers questions... I think videoblogging can break this down. i videoblogged for Andrew Rasiej.. by the end of the campaign I was asked to make mudslinging ads. needed to stay pure. "/>						</outline>					<outline text="lance:">						<outline text="nature of modern politics is that they're not talking to you. it's the two-way nature that changes everything. "/>						</outline>					<outline text="Sean:">						<outline text="i'd rather see a blogger run for office"/>						</outline>					<outline text="Robert:">						<outline text="Ed Cone, who did this session at BC3, talked about a blogger who has won at the local level."/>						</outline>					<outline text="maria">						<outline text="to the point of mudslinging and fear..."/>						<outline text="it's like anything else. if it's politics as usual, it will be politics as usual. if yoiu do it in the same old way, that's what will happen."/>						<outline text="a lot of us have gotten very ... cynical."/>						<outline text="I;'d be thrilled with a candidate who is clear about where she stands. i'd know when to write her or not write her. I want to iknow where they stand and have authentic feelings. "/>						<outline text="I write my senators and reps all kinds of times... I have the luck to live in the district of a rep who speaks for me. Barbara Lee"/>						</outline>					<outline text="Lance:">						<outline text="Me too. "/>						</outline>					<outline text="Doc :">						<outline text="like the retail/wholesale distinction"/>						</outline>					<outline text="Shlomo:">						<outline text="think back to Al Gore. seemed not very human,. but along comes the movie, and suddenly he's interesting. "/>						<outline text="it would have helped him seem a full-blooded human being..."/>						</outline>					<outline text="Elisa">						<outline text="Dean campaign, things like it, succeeding mostly as money-raising distributed efforts... "/>						<outline text="I work as the democratic party in my county... "/>						<outline text="the way they talk about grass roots... disdain for guy like westly because he came from tech and not real estate. meanwhile the right wing kicks ass because they move in lock step."/>						<outline text="right now the party wants to drive down messages and money raising... they see it as a channel."/>						</outline>					<outline text="Erik:">						<outline text="powerful bloggers who have eyeballs and attention should focus on issues, and authentic..."/>						</outline>					<outline text="Doc:">						<outline text="No."/>						</outline>					<outline text="Dave:">						<outline text="You;re missing the point of blogging. *you* have the power. "/>						<outline text="I have somethings in common with right ring bloggers. I;'ve met  ____ who brought down Rather. i have more in common with him than with Dan..."/>						<outline text="the left wing never said anything about the bringing down of Dan Rather."/>						</outline>					<outline text="Erik:">						<outline text="my point is that what's poerful about the blogsphere is tthe ability to rally support ande attention..."/>						</outline>					<outline text="Doc:">						<outline text="skoop nisker"/>						</outline>					<outline text="Frank:">						<outline text="met Zephyr and Kos. both have a good sense of using the blogosphere as mass media. when you're transcending, and serving a mass media role. most of us as bloggers are not tuned into that. think I heard doc saying he's not a political animal as a blogger.. in my community we have an org that is focused on the american ? company, which we feel is distributing electric power in an opportunistic way. so we're stuggleing to change that, using content management systems. to do community organizing... it's not like we're getting the message out, but using it as a focal point for communicating back and forth..."/>						</outline>					<outline text="Lance:">						<outline text="doc said he hates politics.... how can blogs expose an issue like Net neutrality, unpick the ..."/>						</outline>					<outline text="Jeremy:">						<outline text="the fact is that certain groups thave done an amazing job... they just aren't on our side. maybe the democrats just don't get... why aren't we using these communities... when it comes down to it, cash rules everything around me. It''s not about control, but there is going to be control."/>						<outline text="money will be flowing through blogs, thorough communities, who will be trained to work in the blogosphere. "/>						</outline>					<outline text="Lance: (reflecting) blogs are condemed to being used as political tools."/>					<outline text="jeremy:">						<outline text="Ithey're teaching churches about blogs."/>						</outline>					<outline text="Lisa:">						<outline text="I'm feeling it's just broken. The lever is broken. it doesn't matter. The bush admin isn't delivering for its own constituency. Washington has spun off. It doesn't matter whether you have a blog or not."/>						</outline>					<outline text="Jake:">						<outline text="pelople should write about what they care about, what they're passionate about. "/>						<outline text="I have framed the EFF's stuff about the broadcast flag in terms of the audio video stuff I care about. It was very effective, in the way i framed it... so if it fits in the context of what you're doing..."/>						</outline>					<outline text="Brian Montoya:">						<outline text="i wlork with John Edwards. we've been podcasting an d vlogging for &gt;1.5 years. We want to have a conversation with people."/>						<outline text="we're not dfoing what you'll see in mainstream media. "/>						<outline text="edwards gtave a speech about .. (?). he was speaking directly to the people."/>						<outline text="Yet I hear peoploe saying they're disconnected."/>						<outline text="Q to group: what can we be doing? specifically about 2008? how can we be effective"/>						<outline text="we want to listen, and be effective."/>						</outline>					<outline text="Lance:">						<outline text="if I want to engage with edwards about an issue I care about, what can I do?"/>						</outline>					<outline text="Brian:">						<outline text="send a video message. we show him the video. "/>						<outline text="call our audio line. he'll respond directly. we ask for questions from the audience."/>						</outline>					<outline text="Lance: ">						<outline text="Does edwards blog?"/>						</outline>					<outline text="Brian:">						<outline text="Yes. so does Mrs. Edwards. she has direct comms with many bloggers out there. there's more. Let us know."/>						</outline>					<outline text="Ryan:">						<outline text=" it's such a broken syhstemm... it makes no sense to say &quot;A list bloggers...&quot;"/>						<outline text="Even if I make a statement to John edwards, what difference will it make?"/>						</outline>					<outline text="Mike Arrington:">						<outline text="I echo what dave said. If yoiu rely on other people to make the world a better place, that's a terrible thing to think."/>						<outline text="I met Edwards at a session in palo alto. i don't share any views with him. but I'd be willing to vote for him. i connect with him on a personal level."/>						<outline text="i don't want him responding to video blogs. he should be a lot busier than that. I 'm more interested in having him think about what he's going to say in his own voice in a personal way.. the first who does that has the best chance of being successful."/>						</outline>					<outline text="Lance:">						<outline text="... put the risk of putting it out there. Joe Klein's idea of what's gone wrong is that everything is packaged and designed and pre-cooked. there are no spontaneous moments. remember bobby K after MLK's assassination, gave this spontaneous and extremely eloquent speech. no focus groups... so that's what you're saying, Mike. the danger is deksigned spontaneous engagement and seemingly authentic posts. how do we decipher the difference."/>						</outline>					<outline text="Maria:">						<outline text="i do care that he is using his voice as a platform, such as poverty with no corporate money behind it. .. taking the risk of possibly not getting elected, because he's speaking about issues that there is no corporate money behind. No big comapny will give big money to eliminate poverty. maybe the firxt time around it won't happen, but...  maybe we can change it."/>						</outline>					<outline text="John:L">						<outline text="Risk. .. they look at ? as a media channel. After they leave office all these guys seem so much more intelligent. the real person comes outl. while running their Dean Scream kills the campaign."/>						<outline text="True bloggers have as much likelyhood of killing a campaign before it starts. ... if blogginb popularity is one more channel, what have we changed?"/>						</outline>					<outline text="">						<outline text="i'm glad john edwards is running... i'm not a poltical person, but I'm glad... "/>						<outline text="people do feel alienated and disempowered. but in oakland 3 votes brought a victory'"/>						<outline text="I listen to barak obama talk on his podcast every week. I LOVE it. He breaks stuff down and chats it up in language i understand."/>						</outline>					<outline text="Chris P:">						<outline text="I am a registered independent. former R and D. Not sure if this is an offer... wish there were a nonpartisan bloggercon where we could talk about issues that aren't really partisan. is this possible? is there a way to put the kibosh on political (wholesalers)... without falling into the trap of polirtics?"/>						</outline>					<outline text="Lance:">						<outline text="much more partisanship. issues that didn't used to be partisan now are."/>						<outline text="can blogs and new tools help us bring out these issues, whether partisan or not, so pelople can make informed decisions. so we can get."/>						</outline>					<outline text="Dmitri:">						<outline text="? got announced in the last two weeks, to create a nonpartisan ? Blogger party?"/>						</outline>					<outline text="Chris:">						<outline text="not interested in forming a political party. "/>						</outline>					<outline text="Erik">						<outline text="want bloggers to read Don't Think of an Elephant, by George Lakoff."/>						</outline>					<outline text="Jay Rosen:">						<outline text="i was at the 2004 dem convention as a blogger. I interviewed the CEO of the convention,., I was delighed to learn they had one. "/>						<outline text="I wanted to iknow why they had invited bloggers. His answer was that &quot;we;re just trying to get the party;'s message out, and want to use every possible means.&quot;  they[ inv9ted 40 bloggers and 100 talk radio stations. any media outlet they could find. they saw the convention as essentially a media show. a message machine. for them, for the people who were behind him, blogs were nothing new. just another channel."/>						<outline text="what blogging'/s potential is, in politics, is to disrupt that whole system. Elites and masses. The message controlse the masses. the whole thing is potentially disrupted by the net and by blogging."/>						<outline text="those vested in the old system will try to put blogging intothat model."/>						<outline text="at the same convention barak obama came to talk to the bloggers."/>						<outline text="he didn't understand who we were. &quot;great that the bloggers are here. welcome you to the party. we think blogging is great... I may even come to you with some tips. i even started to blog. "/>						<outline text="Jay: I said &quot;write it yourself&quot; "/>						<outline text="And now he's learned. Now he's showing that he doesn't necessarily see it in an elites and masses model. t"/>						<outline text="the threat that blogging represents is to the people who controled politics. the people whose knowledge was the only knowledge. that is slowly what's coming undone. that group are not the only onese that matter in politics."/>						<outline text="the russert primary occrs asa few become anointed by obsrvers who become professionals. "/>						<outline text="now there is also a blogger's primary. another set of poople you have to impress. that alone is different."/>						<outline text="At the yearly Kos  convention, anybody who wanted to be in the race..."/>						</outline>					<outline text="Lance:">						<outline text="In yoiur session yesterday, you quoted Dan Gillmor saying ..."/>						<outline text="we need to lose the elites. the people need a voicea nd have a powerful voice becdause they'll make the goverbnment better. "/>						</outline>					<outline text="Elisa:">						<outline text="to your point that we're getting ever more divided,,... most poliblogers want to persuade. most have a POV, and want to shoot down the opositionl. the country as a whole that isn't as divided as you'd think. by the end of a long thread of conversation there came to an agreement between evangelical christians and secular liberals.... why not... ? Not sure the country as a whole is that divided. "/>						</outline>					<outline text="Lance:">						<outline text="country is purple, not red and blue."/>						</outline>					<outline text="mark Glaser">						<outline text="way for people on a local level to discuss things in otuher countries..."/>						</outline>					<outline text="Roland Tanglao">						<outline text="from canada... yoiur relentless discussion of all this is something we don't do. "/>						<outline text="don't have the masses and elites model. you guys complain that barak isn't really a blogger... we're not even half way there yet. CBC could go a lot farher. they could have real blogs... "/>						</outline>					<outline text="Lance:">						<outline text="reason for success of the poli=tical bhlogosphere is that the convention al media are so pallid ande lacking a point of view because of this lack-of0-objectivity value... the mainstream media are intensely politcal in Europ0e. here our palidness opened things for the Glen Reynoldses. We ahve a return to bpoliti9cal debate that ceased to exist for many years,."/>						</outline>					<outline text="buzz">						<outline text="as a canadian wannabe, it's nice tohave people as polite,k helpful... nice"/>						</outline>					<outline text="">						<outline text="we have a lack of representation... some of the systems here... when you get somebodey who says my constituents know more than i do, how far away from a system whjere l..."/>						</outline>					<outline text="Lance:">						<outline text="difference between believing in rep democracy and having a ple3bicite. doesn't invalidate representation."/>						</outline>					<outline text="Ramin">						<outline text="little anecdote... I[;m part of a 3 person political blog. put out a thing, and within a few days we were getting 5-600 thousand. "/>						<outline text="ifyoudo something that connects with people, you could happen into something that involves a lot of poeple..."/>						</outline>					<outline text="lisa williams:">						<outline text="the government isn't listening any more and just doesn't care"/>						</outline>					<outline text="Lance:">						<outline text="lots came up here."/>						<outline text="what is necessary for a pol to be authentic."/>						<outline text="pretty certain that as we enter the 2008 cycle we'll see a variety of approaches."/>						<outline text="some will see the 'sphrere as a continuation of elites speaking to masses. but... there's hope."/>						</outline>					</outline>				<outline text="Done"/>				</outline>			</outline>		</body>	</opml>