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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description>&lt;img src=&quot;http://images.scripting.com/archiveScriptingCom/2004/11/18/refereree.jpg&quot; width=&quot;85&quot; height=&quot;144&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; align=&quot;right&quot; hspace=&quot;15&quot; vspace=&quot;5&quot; alt=&quot;A picture named refereree.jpg&quot;&gt;Here's an idea, probably not very new, that came from a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.docuverse.com/blog/donpark/EntryViewPage.aspx?guid=ba7cef3c-fa26-4219-bbba-6d610e9e7da0&quot;&gt;thread&lt;/a&gt; on Don Park's weblog a couple of days ago. Suppose there's an issue, say Choice vs Life (to pick something heavy) and you've got two people who like each other enough to be willing to have a &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=refereed&quot;&gt;refereed&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt; online back and forth. So there are three people, one on each side of an issue, and the third making sure that there are no personal attacks. The discussion takes place only between the two people, for two months, two years, two decades, two lifetimes, however long it takes, however long both have something to say. (Of course people can comment on the discussion on their own blogs, on mail lists, radio shows, where ever.) A document with three authors that's constantly being revised. Sure you can take vacations, maybe a month or a year at a time, as-needed. This would be different from a mail list, or a blog, or anything else. A deliberate respectful discussion, more about the respect and exposure of issues, than about settling the unsettleable. An &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bloggercon.org/2004/11/18#a2138&quot;&gt;interesting&lt;/a&gt; idea?</description>
			<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2004 02:57:56 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2004/11/18#a6828&quot;&gt;Philip Greenspun&lt;/a&gt; saw Arlo Guthrie perform in Harvard Sq.</description>
			<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2004 01:28:18 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lisarein.com/sillymarc.jpg&quot;&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://images.scripting.com/archiveScriptingCom/2004/11/18/canter.jpg&quot; width=&quot;45&quot; height=&quot;54&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; align=&quot;right&quot; hspace=&quot;15&quot; vspace=&quot;5&quot; alt=&quot;A picture named canter.jpg&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;I listened in on tonight's Berkman Thursday meeting with Marc Canter giving his semantic web roadshow talk. Here's a &lt;a href=&quot;http://images.scripting.com/archiveScriptingCom/2004/11/18/berkman.gif&quot;&gt;picture&lt;/a&gt; of Berkman, via Keyhole, where the meeting took place. Marc keeps getting cut off. &quot;God bless Murphy,&quot; he says. I hope someone is making a podcast of this. &quot;;-&gt;&quot;</description>
			<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2004 01:13:26 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.reallysimplesyndication.com/discuss/msgReader$185?mode=day&quot;&gt;Shannon Clark says&lt;/a&gt; that sometimes we seek out advertising. That's so true. I consume huge amounts of commercial information, every day, as I do my work. </description>
			<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2004 01:33:44 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description>&lt;img src=&quot;http://images.scripting.com/archiveScriptingCom/2004/11/18/cheeseleader.gif&quot; width=&quot;50&quot; height=&quot;50&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; align=&quot;right&quot; hspace=&quot;15&quot; vspace=&quot;5&quot; alt=&quot;A picture named cheeseleader.gif&quot;&gt;Stan Krute says (via email) that &lt;a href=&quot;http://keyhole.com/&quot;&gt;Keyhole&lt;/a&gt; is an accomplishment on par with Basic, the Apple II, Mac, Mosaic and Google. He's created a set of &lt;a href=&quot;http://static.podcatch.com/manila/gems/un/BaseballStadiums.kml&quot;&gt;bookmarks&lt;/a&gt; that let one &quot;fly among the major league baseball park to baseball park.&quot; &lt;a href=&quot;http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/entrance/&quot;&gt;A bbs&lt;/a&gt; where users share their discoveries. I downloaded and installed the trial. It's very interesting, not perfect, it was off by three blocks in finding the house I grew up in. </description>
			<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:50:13 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.xml.com/lpt/a/2004/11/17/salz.html&quot;&gt;Rich Salz&lt;/a&gt;: &quot;WSDL 2.0 is the worst example of architecture astronautics I have ever seen.&quot;</description>
			<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2004 18:55:08 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wired.com/news/ebiz/0,1272,65745,00.html&quot;&gt;Wired News reports&lt;/a&gt; on advertising in RSS feeds.</description>
			<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2004 12:43:30 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description>I take a stab at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.reallysimplesyndication.com/2004/11/18#a174&quot;&gt;explaining&lt;/a&gt; why advertising in RSS is boring.</description>
			<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:36:37 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://seattleblogger.blogspot.com/2004/11/bring-bloggercon-to-seattle.html&quot;&gt;Robert Raketty&lt;/a&gt; is starting a discussion of a Seattle BloggerCon.</description>
			<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:03:06 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://inessential.com/?comments=1&amp;postid=2984&quot;&gt;Brent Simmons&lt;/a&gt; explains why weblog editing is complex. </description>
			<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:19:45 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://weblogs.jupiterresearch.com/analysts/gartenberg/archives/005051.html&quot;&gt;Michael Gartenberg notes&lt;/a&gt; that blogging got a mention on last night's West Wing. Toby Ziegler reminds Josh Lyman that bloggers are not journalists, but not in time to save Josh from getting reamed. On par with the usual junk that passes for drama on TWW. I don't know why I still bother.</description>
			<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2004 12:32:05 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wbur.org/photogallery/news_yeariraq/default.asp?counter=3&quot;&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://images.scripting.com/archiveScriptingCom/2004/11/18/iraqi.jpg&quot; width=&quot;55&quot; height=&quot;67&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; align=&quot;right&quot; hspace=&quot;15&quot; vspace=&quot;5&quot; alt=&quot;A picture named iraqi.jpg&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://davetravel.scripting.com/2004/11/18#a164&quot;&gt;Request for feedback&lt;/a&gt;. Last week we got a new server running, one which eventually, Murphy-willing, will host a BitTorrent-plus-RSS distribution service for podcasts. We moved Adam Curry's Daily Source Code to this server on Monday, and have had a few reports of problems. Neither Adam or I have seen any problems, the server seems responsive, but we need to know before we go much further if there's a problem. </description>
			<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:41:02 GMT</pubDate>
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