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		<outline created="Tue, 12 Oct 2010 10:05:15 GMT" ctSaves="14" flPreview="false" server="xmlrpc://cms.scripting2.com:5337/RPC2" storySerialNum="601" text="ATNTFTP" type="scripting2Post" url="http://scripting.com/stories/2010/10/12/allTheNewsThatsFitToPrint.html" username="davewiner" versionClient="0.39" versionServer="0.38" whenLastSave="Tue, 12 Oct 2010 13:21:28 GMT">
			<outline created="Tue, 12 Oct 2010 09:48:40 GMT" pgfnum="2673" text="Excellent Rebooting the News podcast &lt;a href=&quot;http://rebootnews.com/2010/10/11/rebooting-the-news-67/&quot;&gt;yesterday&lt;/a&gt;, with someone both Jay and I respect -- Saul Hansell, who runs the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.seed.com/&quot;&gt;seed.com&lt;/a&gt; program at AOL."></outline>
			<outline created="Tue, 12 Oct 2010 09:49:16 GMT" pgfnum="2674" text="He came to be a guest on the show because he argues with the podcast, at his home in suburban New York, while doing his laundry. A time-honored way to consume podcast content. I do it myself. I often feel like yelling back at the idiot on the MP3, only this time I happened to be the idiot! :-)"></outline>
			<outline created="Tue, 12 Oct 2010 09:50:36 GMT" pgfnum="2675" text="Not that we have the power to hear anyone yelling back at us. Wish we did. Saul sent us an email suggesting he might be a good guest. When I said I welcomed the chance to argue with him, he got a bit squeamish, as if we wouldn't like each other after the show, or whatever. I thought to myself, what's become of us that we can't argue, even passionately, and learn something in the process and come away with even more respect for the person we're arguing with? That's the way it turned out. If you like a heated and passionate disagreement, I highly recommend listening to &lt;a href=&quot;http://rebootnews.com/2010/10/11/rebooting-the-news-67/&quot;&gt;RBTN #67&lt;/a&gt;. "></outline>
			<outline created="Tue, 12 Oct 2010 09:52:46 GMT" pgfnum="2676" text="As with all good disagreements, I thought of the real argument a few hours after it was over."></outline>
			<outline created="Tue, 12 Oct 2010 10:01:52 GMT" pgfnum="2686" text="Before explaining, it's important to note that both Jay and I first met Hansell when he was a reporter for the NY Times. That's why, as often is the case, the discussion revolves around Times. Someday we'll figure out why the Times looms so large in all our discussions, but that's not what we discussed yesterday."></outline>
			<outline created="Tue, 12 Oct 2010 09:53:00 GMT" pgfnum="2677" text="The crux of our disagreement is this. "></outline>
			<outline created="Tue, 12 Oct 2010 09:53:10 GMT" pgfnum="2678" text="I say that nothing appears on the pages of the NYT until a reporter at the Times has an epiphany about it. Saul says: &quot;And isn't that what the Times is supposed to be?&quot; "></outline>
			<outline created="Tue, 12 Oct 2010 10:03:05 GMT" pgfnum="2687" text="To which I resond: Emphatically, no. The Times is supposed to capture the events of our times. Hence its name. If it had been meant to capture the epiphanies of a few reporters, it might have been called &quot;Our Epiphanies&quot; and the motto might be &quot;All the things that occur to us, when they occur to us, and not a moment before.&quot;"></outline>
			<outline created="Tue, 12 Oct 2010 09:54:34 GMT" pgfnum="2679" text="So I didn't say any of that, because I let Jay steer us into an idea I proposed to the Times in 2002, that they offer a Times-hosted site to anyone they quote, which of course is a &lt;i&gt;tactic&lt;/i&gt; for achieving the kind of mix I was looking for and does nothing to explain why this is something they should have wanted to do. (BTW, to Jay who asked for a reference to this proposal, I found  couple. Expand this &lt;a href=&quot;http://scripting.com/stories/2010/10/12/allTheNewsThatsFitToPrint.html#p2679&quot;&gt;paragraph&lt;/a&gt; on the scripting.com website for details.)">
				<outline created="Tue, 12 Oct 2010 10:15:25 GMT" pgfnum="2689" text="The idea was first raised at a dinner meeting on January 23, 2002. I mention the dinner in this &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.scripting.com/2002/01.html#When:9:27:55AM&quot;&gt;blog post&lt;/a&gt;."></outline>
				<outline created="Tue, 12 Oct 2010 10:20:21 GMT" pgfnum="2690" text="The idea is explained in an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.scripting.com/2006/10.html#howToImproveProfessionalReporting&quot;&gt;October 2006 post&lt;/a&gt; on Scripting News. &quot;...when a person is quoted in a Times piece, a few days after the article runs, a person from the publishing side contacts them, congratulates them on being quoted in the Times, and asks if they want a blog. No strings attached, you can say anything you want on your blog, no editorial review, and no cost to you. We get to run ads on your blog, they won't be intrusive, much as we run ads on columns by regular NY Times columnists. The reason this works is that it includes the reporters in the vetting, ultimately it's their decision who gets to blog under the corporate masthead, which is important in an organization where the talent is so important to its success. But they also have to deal with competiton from a new source, their sources. I think it's really clever, and the first news organization that does this will have a leg up on all the others.&quot;"></outline>
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			<outline created="Tue, 12 Oct 2010 09:55:54 GMT" pgfnum="2680" text="But to really nail it, consider that the motto of the Times is &lt;i&gt;&quot;All the news that's fit to print.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;"></outline>
			<outline created="Tue, 12 Oct 2010 09:58:57 GMT" pgfnum="2683" text="Which is so fundamental that it deserves an acronym: ATNTFTP."></outline>
			<outline text="It suggests a breadth of coverage. The first word isn't modest -- it isn't &quot;some of the&quot; or &quot;most of the&quot; or &quot;a good cross-section of&quot; -- it's &quot;all.&quot;"></outline>
			<outline created="Tue, 12 Oct 2010 09:56:43 GMT" pgfnum="2682" text="Now this is why I find it so frustrating that the only new media ideas that appear on the op-ed pages of the Times are those that appear obvious to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/ref/business/bio-carr.html&quot;&gt;David Carr&lt;/a&gt;. Not that Carr isn't a very clever writer and speaker. He certainly is quite creative, but not in what's possible given the new distribution and authoring technologies, that have been developing for decades. But the limits he imposes on what the Times and can and can't do are far more restrictive than the mission the Times is on, ATNTFTP.">
				<outline created="Tue, 12 Oct 2010 10:11:11 GMT" pgfnum="2688" text="I expect Carr and I are around the same age, but there's no mention of his age, that I can find, on the web."></outline>
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			<outline created="Tue, 12 Oct 2010 09:59:23 GMT" pgfnum="2684" text="Because the Times has drifted so far from ATNTFTP, it can take ten years or more before a news-related idea that's actively being pursued by the tech industry to actually appear in the pages of the Times. This is not doing a service to anyone, certainly not to the members of the Times community who don't draw a paycheck from the Times, and probably not even to those who do. "></outline>
			<outline created="Tue, 12 Oct 2010 10:00:36 GMT" pgfnum="2685" text="Since the birth of the web, it's &lt;i&gt;always&lt;/i&gt; been the next step for the Times to open the windows and let the fresh air in. They have a beautiful office, but the news isn't happening there, it's happening everywhere &lt;i&gt;but&lt;/i&gt; there. Yet to read the Times you would think the opposite."></outline>
			<outline created="Tue, 12 Oct 2010 10:29:08 GMT" pgfnum="2691" text="Now to the why of it. Why should the Times have aspired to be the all-inclusive place where people go to find out what's happening in the world, through the Internet. I think that the answer is self-evident. You can hear the tale of woe for the &quot;news industry&quot; on the op-ed page of the Times and every other newspaper. And on the business pages, and the technology pages. Even in politics and culture, the Internet is usurping the former role of the Paper of Record. "></outline>
			<outline created="Tue, 12 Oct 2010 10:31:03 GMT" pgfnum="2692" text="I think history has shown over and over, that you must rise to the challenge of new technology, or be marginalized by it. "></outline>
			<outline created="Tue, 12 Oct 2010 10:31:26 GMT" pgfnum="2693" text="You don't read about the demise of social networks on the social networks. Instead they have grown from a few million users just a couple of years ago to hundreds of millions of users today. They are beginning to exert the kind of political and cultural power that the Times used to. How do I know? I read about it in the Times."></outline>
			<outline created="Tue, 12 Oct 2010 10:32:51 GMT" pgfnum="2694" text="As I said to Saul, I have a &lt;a href=&quot;http://scripting.com/images/2010/10/12/realtimes.gif&quot;&gt;window&lt;/a&gt; on my desktop computer that scrolls the latest NY Times articles in realtime. I keep moving the technology and keep making offers to the Times. I see the value of what they do, but I want more of it, much more. I want their process to influence the processes of everyone else. But I'm losing that battle and I know it. "></outline>
			<outline created="Tue, 12 Oct 2010 10:34:31 GMT" pgfnum="2695" text="&lt;i&gt;That&lt;/i&gt; is the point I keep trying to make: Let's work together. "></outline>
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